Live from Davos: CME Okonjo-Iweala & Aliko Dangote speak with BloombergTV

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— Nigerian Finance Minister Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala talks about the country’s oil reserves, economic growth and doing business in Africa. She speaks with Francine Lacqua on Bloomberg Television’s “The Pulse” on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum’s annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland. Aliko Dangote speaks too.

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FULL TRANSCRIPTS of Okonjo-Iweala Interview by Francine Lacqua:

Francine Lacqua (FL): Joining us now is the Nigerian Finance Minister and former Managing Director of the World Bank, Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala. Thank you for joining us. Give me the outlook for Nigeria given that there is vandalism with oil and we’re expecting the oil price to come under a little bit of pressure.

Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala (NOI): We have made our budget at a very reasonable oil price, benchmark price for oil, which is $77.5 per barrel. This is to shield us and to ensure that we are not subjected to whatever volatility there may be in the oil market. We have been reasonably modest. We have also taken 2.38 million barrels a day as production. Not as optimistic as we were last year where we had 2.53 million, so we have tried to set the country’s main parameters in a very modest way. We have a budget of fiscal consolidation with growth. I want to say a word about that because people don’t understand when I say that. You can consolidate fiscally, but direct whatever resources you have to remove the bottlenecks in the way of growth of the economy, that is what we are doing. So the outlook for next year, we are projecting 6.75% growth, the IMF is projecting a little higher than that, at about 7.2%. We have been growing at 7% for the past decade and 2013 we are expecting 6.5% growth.

FL: You are confident that your oil reserves and money you put aside means that Nigeria can withstand an oil price shock?

NOI: Well, I think we can but we are a little more vulnerable now than we were in the past because excess crude account, where we have savings to cushion the economy from the volatility, we have spent it down. We have about — just better than 2.5 billion there. We mean to build that up this year. We are looking at that but our reserves are strong, we have $44 billion in reserves in the country. I think that with all the parameters we have set and with rebuilding savings in the excess – and don’t forget, we have a sovereign wealth fund also that we just started with $1 billion. We are looking to build that up, too with some automatic savings that will go into it further down the year.

>> What will be your main focus here in Davos? You are really a woman of the world, a lot of entrepreneurs, women and men, look up to you as a kind of mentor. I have been watching this watch for many years. You have a special watch with five time zones. It is basically five dials so you stay on top of every region. From such a global person, what are you watching in Davos?

>> There are three things that excite me in Davos: the first is the discussion on inequality. I strongly agree with Christine Lagarde, the Pope that we have to look at this issue worldwide as well as within countries. In Nigeria, we are growing very fast, but that growth has come with increasing inequality and lack of inclusion of certain segments of the population.

>> This is between the ‘haves’ and the ‘have-nots’, not men versus women?

>> Right, but gender inequality is also important, we have to empower women because hey predominate amongst the ‘have-nots’. So that whole conversation, we need to have it. We need to have it within countries and we want to work with others to address the inequality issue. I believe, in Africa, where we have increasing numbers of young people unemployed and excluded from the mainstream, we really have to watch this phenomenon. The second thing that is exciting to me is the fact that my country is hosting the World Economic Forum Africa for the first time in May this year. And so we are handing out these scarves.

>> Hand woven in Nigeria…

>> Hand woven in Nigeria to signify that we are ready to receive the world and we are very excited about that. The third thing is a whole set of discussions on business and ethics. I am involved in a group with Richard Branson called ‘The B Team’ where we are looking at these issues of human rights, ethics and business, treating countries fairly and countries treating business fairly – the social aspects of business.

>> Nigeria has a perception problem, people still think it is risky to do business there. How do you change that apart from making it safer, particularly for oil workers?

>> Actually I disagree with that. What is interesting to me is that, even though people think we have this perception problem – and I agree there is a perception problem – what we are finding is that businesses are coming. UNTRAD statistics, the U.N. Conference on Trade, their statistics show Nigeria is the largest destination for foreign direct investment in Africa. The rate of return is I think the fourth-highest in the world I think, at 30%, we have lots of businesses coming in. Even our Eurobond that we issued recently was four times oversubscribed. 72% of the subscribers came from the United States.

>> So it is only a perception problem.

>> It’s a perception problem. In real life, I think business people know that we do have problems but they are confined to certain parts of the country. The country is moving along and it is good to do business there. In fact, if you are not in Nigeria, you are not in Africa.
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Aliko Dangote, Africa’s richest man and head of Dangote Group, talks with Bloomberg;s Matthew G. Miller about the outlook for global stocks and his investment strategy. They spoke last night on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum’s annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland.

Full Video for viewing and embedding: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/dangote-says-global-bull-market-to-continue-in-2014-vIV_6J1ARCOppb1trzQDEw.html

To follow Bloomberg’s coverage of Davos: http://www.bloomberg.com/davos/

FULL INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPT:
(of Aliko Dangote by Matthew Miller)

Matthew G. Miller (MM): We’re hearing a lot this year about there not being a European financial crisis, there not being an American fiscal crisis, are you bullish for 2014? Do you think that the bull market of 2013 can continue worldwide?

Aliko Dangote (AD): Yes, I think it is really going to continue and actually, I think we have actually really turned a corner. I believe that it is going to be a totally different ball game. Things are improving in all sectors, in banking, vehicles, manufacturing, almost all of the sectors. And I think really really well, that the bad past is behind.

MM: What do you think are the biggest hurdles that could impact the economy anywhere in the world?

AD: I think one of the biggest issues that will actually have an effect is the lack of jobs. That is one of the critical issues because, when you look at globally, we have about 73 million unemployed people and youth. So I think that is something that we need to critically look at.

MM: When you look at your fortune, it’s mostly Nigeria based. Do you ever consider testing other parts of Africa, and what other countries would be ideal for you?

AD: You can look at this as Nigeria-based for now. But, we have a lot of countries in which we are doing business. In cement alone, we are commissioning about 11 million tons of capacity in 2014 and we are commissioning additional, well that is only outside Nigeria, and in Nigeria 9 million tons and that is just in cement. By 2015 and the beginning of 2016 we will be doing 20 million tons of which 15 will be outside of Nigeria. When you look at it, yes, we have invested heavily in Nigeria but we are not only looking at Nigeria, we are looking at the regional market which is the [inaudible], West African states, in which we are very very dominant , very big there. What we have done right now is invested over 4 billion dollars in terms of spend outside Nigeria. In total, we are talking about, between now and the next four years, we will be investing 16 billion of which 12 billion is in Nigeria, 4 billion dollars outside of Nigeria. So, we are de-risking the business and also diversifying our portfolio.

MM: What other countries appeal to you?

AD: What other countries appeal to me? I think Ethiopia, South Africa, Tanzania, Kenya, Congo Brazzaville, Cameroon, Ghana…

MM: So African countries?

AD: Sub-Saharan African countries

MM: If you are looking at the commodities markets in 2014, where would you be most bullish? Where would you put your money?

AD: In commodities, I am very bullish. In the ones that we are dealing with, I would actually put quite a lot of money in sugar, in rice, and in oil. Oil too, I am very, very bullish on oil.

MM: You are a co-chair of WEF this year, you are Africa’s richest man, what does it mean to you to be in Davos this week?

MM: You are a co-chair of WEF this year, you are Africa’s richest man, what does it mean to you to be in Davos this week?

AD: It means quite a lot, it means a great deal, especially being appointed the co-chair. I think we will be able to tell people what Africa is all about. You know, last year there were quite a lot of discussions about Africa and it actually helped in terms of bringing in a lot of investment into Africa because a lot of people they don’t know much about Africa. You know, sometimes perception is real and we want to change that. We want to tell people, why don’t you come and invest and see. So there has actually been quite a lot of change, and that has given us a lot of drive to makes sure that we as Africans work so hard to make sure that we don’t get left behind, so we are continuously investing and we are trying also to encourage people who are not Africans to see what we are doing so that they can also see yes, good things are happening.

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